Crafting Emotional Stories with Jared Mark Fincher
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[00:00:58] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Jared, this [00:01:00] is going to be fun. This is
[00:01:02] Jared Mark Fincher: Dude, I'm pumped. I'm pumped.
[00:01:05] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: this is something that, you know, I'm sure you've had conversations like this with other people in the past, but it's not something that you're gonna be talking about in your day to day.
Work that
[00:01:20] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah.
[00:01:21] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: you know, so that's why this is always a blast for anybody who I I chat with on this show. They always leave. Like, that was fun. So, I'm really hoping that you get the same vibe. So I'm gonna just dive right in to the first question I had for you, which is, before photography, before filmmaking, before this became your primary like creative outlet.I'm assuming that music played a quite a big role
[00:01:51] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:01:52] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Can you share that? Like how where did music fit in your life before? Be being behind a lens?
[00:01:58] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah. Heck yeah, [00:02:00] man.yeah, so I grew up in a family that it was very musical, so I'm one of five. So I have two older sisters who, were very musical. Played the piano.and so that's actually where I started, was with piano, which is a great side note. Piano is a great, you know, core instrument to, to kind of work off of.
so took piano for like four years, you know, like, exit 12 on, and I just, I hated practicing. I hated that piece of it. And so. I moved from piano to guitar
after that, and my very first guitar, was a, this is hilarious. Okay, this is like when eBay was like really big. and I remember,
[00:02:47] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: the true eBay.
[00:02:48] Jared Mark Fincher: oh, yeah, yeah,
[00:02:50] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: it's very different now.
[00:02:51] Jared Mark Fincher: Very different. But I remember searching on eBay.
For an electric guitar, which like hindsight, like that's the worst [00:03:00] guitar to like start out on like learning guitar, like an electric. So, but I wanted to be cool and so I'm searching eBay, have no idea what I'm doing, but I end up buying a black Stratocaster off of eBay.
The brand was. I wanna say the brand was a, a Hondo. A Hondo Stratocaster. It was black and it was awesome. but that was my very first guitar, coming off of that.
[00:03:30] Church and Finding a Voice
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[00:03:36] Jared Mark Fincher: And so got the electric guitar, ended up getting the acoustic and, and learning how to play the guitar, but really where, that gifting like really took off and, and started to learn, learn more and more was in the church.
I played a lot. Of music in the church growing up. and so that would be like in the youth group, we would have Wednesday night kind of gatherings together and I was, I was in the, like the student band from like. I mean from like eighth grade [00:04:00] on. And so that's really where I started to have a love for it, and really, kind of branch out into different genres of music from that.
but that's, that's really where it all started, man.
[00:04:13] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Yeah, that's great. You know, you, you mentioned piano being a core instrument,
so, I started, my first instrument was a clarinet.
[00:04:24] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah, it was
[00:04:26] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: yeah, it was. And, like you, I. Actually started, besides from in school playing, in middle school, I also, at Temple I would play
[00:04:37] Jared Mark Fincher: Uhhuh.
[00:04:37] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: at services as well.and, it Judaism clarinets a very,Perfect instrument
[00:04:46] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.
[00:04:48] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: songs. but anyway, I, I, as an
adult, I tell myself that if I had a choice to start over and what I would tell my kids if they decided they wanted to get into playing an [00:05:00] instrument, I would tell them, start with piano for
sure. And just deal with the frustration of learning. 'cause it is. I, I didn't learn piano until college. 'cause I, I, I originally was going to college for music
and I had to take piano lessons as a
class two different, like a 101 and whatever.
and it is really an, an annoying instrument to take lessons for, but it's also really important. It is a
really important, as you said, a core instrument.
[00:05:32] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, foundational is probably a great, a great word for it. I mean, even, I mean, my encouragement to people would be like, just even if you just get your feet wet in piano, like it'll make everything else make sense. Like if knowing your scales, knowing how the notes all flow, if you have the image of the, of the piano, like it just helps things make sense, at least from my perspective on that.
[00:05:59] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: [00:06:00] yeah. So, so, so these days. Fast forwarding until to today.
you, you you could still play piano. If you sat in front of a piano, you could still
play some stuff. Maybe not perfect, maybe not
amazing, but you could still play here.
[00:06:14] Jared Mark Fincher: yeah. Yeah,
[00:06:16] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: guitars, your, your, your
primary
[00:06:18] Jared Mark Fincher: my primary.
[00:06:19] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: else?
[00:06:20] Jared Mark Fincher: you know, the guitar instruments, so like I'll play acoustic electric in some bass.
but yeah, those are pretty much the ones I stick to.
[00:06:30] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: the vocal chords as, so on this episode, I, totally downloaded one of your Instagram reels, and I'm gonna be including a little
five second clip of you playing on that. it's so good. You are
really good. So, yeah, you're, you've got a great voice. so I. You've, you've got that going for you too.
[00:06:50] Jared Mark Fincher: Thanks, man.
[00:06:52] Leading People Through Story
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[00:06:52] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: so you, you, you spent years, with doing, playing at, at, at church
[00:07:00] and, and whatnot. what did that experience teach you about leading people and working
with people, interacting with people on the photography, videography side? And the emotional experiences behind it all because there's, there's, there's a crossover there, whether it's, whether it's the church side of things, whether it's the
music side of things, there's a crossover there between that and how you interact with people
that are paying you to film them, right.
Or paying you to photograph them or whatever it is. How did, how did, how do you see that? Like what's, what's that blend like? What, what
did that
[00:07:40] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah. Hmm. That's a really great question, Scott.well, you know, on the music end, I feel like I've been in other environments that, You know, have been paid or have been like different than worship music. And I think it kind of is the same, the same principle where like you're taking people on a journey, you [00:08:00] know, like you.
If it, if it's leading worship or, or playing in a coffee shop or, or, or doing something like you're creating an experience, you know, for people. and I think on the photography or videography or, you know, whatever the craft is on that side, like, it's the same deal. Like you're, you're creating an experience for people.
and I, I, I really like to look at it like you're grabbing somebody's hand and you're, you're walking with them through something. So. Week in and week out. So I still, lead music in the church often, not as much as I did years ago, but, I still get the chance to, and I really do look at it that way of like, I am trying to create an atmosphere and an experience for people that they can have a connection.
And so. I feel like that carries over to photography and videography me and my, my business partner, miles. Like that is our goal. Like we want to [00:09:00] create an experience that, people can lock into, and, and a connection with people that's real. and so I think, I think yeah, to your point, like I think the years of, of growing up doing music.
and connecting with people like through that craft has kind of carried over a lot into photography.
[00:09:19] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Yeah.do you, when you're like directing, which may not necessarily be something for a wedding day, but
[00:09:30] Jared Mark Fincher: Uhhuh,
[00:09:31] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: let's say it's, you did for Imagen, right? You've,
you've, you've, you've filmed a bunch for Imagen and it's
more on the commercial side, right? And there is a sense of directing your, your, your positioning where they might wanna be for certain things, right? and yeah, a bunch of, a bunch of things like that. do you, do you think there's a parallel between leading a worship, and or,Which I have no experience with
whatsoever. I'm not a religious person at all, but, and I'm Jewish, so I don't, [00:10:00] I don't know what goes into all of it.
but,any parallels between that and or leading, leading the, the music at a, at a worship, right?
I mean,
in a way, conducting the music. To directing a, a, a film of some sort. is there a parallel there as well that, is worth bringing up?
[00:10:26] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah, that's a good question. I don't really know. I mean, I can see like similarities as far as like, at least my style. Like even with the commercial shoots and stuff, like as far as directing, I think our style is gonna be more of like creating environments that like people can work within and casting vision for, like where you want to go.
So like in worship or like on a Sunday morning, like, I like if I, if I'm in charge [00:11:00] of like leading the music for that, like I'm casting a vision for where. I want to go
and we're gonna see where the people will go from there. And I think even in like commercial shoots or even wedding days, it's, it's, it's a pretty much the same like of, hey, like this is the story that is here and this is what we want to tell, so let's tell that story and let's be, you know, be as natural as we can, you know, through that.
And so in the commercial world. I think it's the same thing where it's like, Hey, these are the goals. This is what we need to get across here. Like, what is natural for you guys to tell this story? You know? And I'm gonna put you in really great light, you know, or I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, do the best I can to get the best audio out of this.
And so, but let's see where this takes us. And so I think paving like a picture would be like paving the. the ramp for that plane to take off. Like, I just want [00:12:00] to give, give somebody a great takeoff strip, to fly.
[00:12:04] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Yeah. Great.
[00:12:05] Audio Matters More Than Video
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[00:12:08] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: I, I, I have found, as you were just talking about, like, you know, getting great audio and things like that,
I, I have found, I don't know why, it just clicked in my head that over the years of. Setting up, a PA system, setting up to perform
somewhere, whether it's at Temple or whatnot, and you have to troubleshoot audio issues or that might come up and you need to troubleshoot it on the fly. Definitely correlates to what we do as professional photographers, videographers, behind the camera and setting up. Lights and lights stands and audio and things like that, and having to troubleshoot and fix on the fly without your clients knowing that you're doing that, you know what I mean?
Which is a true sign of a professional, is being able to fix a problem without your client knowing.
and I think that it's one of those things not necessarily [00:13:00] like it, it's not a, something that's exclusive to music, of course,
but I, I think that it's something that, Having a background in music before you get behind the camera, it, it, it definitely has its perk when it comes
to the technology and the, the equipment
that you, that you've, you've come to learn just from
playing
[00:13:23] Jared Mark Fincher: yeah. Totally, man. No, I mean, audio is such a huge piece. I mean, I don't know how you. Your perspective is, and I love to hear it, but I think I've come to learn that like audio is not, is almost a bigger piece than the visual. Like people can watch crappy things but they can't listen to 'em. So that, that's always a huge goal.
And I think like my OCD of like wanting things to sound as good as they possibly can, you know, from years of, of being involved with music and. Knowing how to run sound and stuff like. Yeah, it's huge. So I mean, I [00:14:00] would say that to anybody starting out in video or. Or running sound and stuff like those pieces, like if you can jump into that, or dive into, learning how to get better at that.
Like you will stand apart from the rest of the crowd if you can be good at that stuff. because it, it really does make a huge difference, not just in. You know, like cinema and like creating movies and, and things like that. But even like a YouTube video, like, man, if you could have good audio,
you really will stand out.
And it's
[00:14:36] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: I mean, do you want, do you subscribe to the M-K-B-H-D YouTube channel?
Marques Brown.
[00:14:42] Jared Mark Fincher: I don't, oh, maybe
[00:14:45] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Okay,
[00:14:46] Jared Mark Fincher: what do they do there?
[00:14:47] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: so it's, he is a tech reviewer, right? So
Marquez reviews like
[00:14:51] Jared Mark Fincher: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:14:53] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: So they have another channel called the Studio,
which is, very regular behind the scenes look at their [00:15:00] multimillion dollar YouTube production studio that they
[00:15:03] Jared Mark Fincher: Okay. Yeah.
[00:15:04] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: popping out the most polished YouTube videos available.
And in the more recent behind the scenes, like an updated one, you learn that they have three audio engineers
[00:15:16] Jared Mark Fincher: Okay. Wow.
[00:15:17] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: work for Marquez. It's like two, two engineers and one sound designer.
So you have two, two people that all they do is get the audio working well, sounding the way they want to sound, and then they have a sound designer that, you know, will put it all together with the final edit.
[00:15:36] Jared Mark Fincher: Totally.
[00:15:37] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: a three, three staff employees for a YouTube
channel. Right.
That's just about sound.
It's,
[00:15:45] Jared Mark Fincher: It's a beast. And I, I think a lot of people don't put as much into it as, as they, they, the potential is so much higher. If you could actually put into it, like a lot of the videos that I do, [00:16:00] are, are, are, are like trailer type videos of like highlights of things. and I've noticed that the time, if I can put the time into soundscaping things, and when I say soundscaping, I mean.
Like adding in environmental sounds to, to videos to bring it to life. like those are the ones that really do shine. And it's like the extra step of, of creating like a masterpiece of, of a film is the soundscaping, piece. But it's a beast. It's a whole nother world of like trying to get things to sound real and like realistic and you getting, you know, clips of things.
Of sound bites, like when you're there on, on site, when you're filming and stuff, like thinking ahead to where you can like storyboard out like your video and know like, okay, these are the sounds that I need to, I need to get here because this is what's gonna tell the story of not just how this looked, but like how it [00:17:00] felt.
Yeah,
and like that's how you stand apart.
[00:17:03] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: I do think like the, the RODE video mic goes and the,
the, the DJ I, mics like those little ones, I feel, feel like that had to have made Soundscaping a little bit easier for people
now that those exist. 'cause now you can take this tiny camera, I mean camera, tiny mic that can literally record to itself and just
place it down somewhere and let it go while you're doing something else and
[00:17:29] Jared Mark Fincher: getting the, you know, I'm sure it's still extremely complicated, but, but I have to Imagen that's made the process a little bit simpler for, for people. Totally. Yeah. The recording process, like there's really no excuse and honestly like the sound libraries that are available to us now, like, I mean, I honestly use the libraries a lot more than I actually try to get the onsite stuff, unless it's something like very particular. To that, that film that's like, well, I'm not gonna be able to find [00:18:00] this sound anywhere else.
but like the sound libraries from like art list and things like that are overwhelming to where you have more than enough, but you just have to know how to, even once you get that sound, like how to line it up with your video portion for it to make sense. Like, this has to be real. And so like, how would this sound?
And so a lot of times you have to manipulate. the actual, like original file to make it actually go with what you're actually doing in the video. So
[00:18:31] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Yeah. A good example of this being, filming that photo walk with Miles at the
Highline in New York City, right
to go and get, a, a ambient sound of a New York City City
[00:18:43] Jared Mark Fincher: Yep.
[00:18:44] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: mean, you can get millions of them.
[00:18:45] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah,
[00:18:46] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: You know, you don't need to go and record one 'cause there's already so many available.
but if you wanted one in particular where like in the, in the film, you know, somebody's saying, wow, actually this did happen. [00:19:00] Look at all those taxis. Remember
there's all those taxis that were lining up, but then like, you wanted like six taxis, like honking the horns. Now you gotta be specific,
[00:19:07] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:08] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: trickier.
[00:19:09] Jared Mark Fincher: No, no, it's true. yeah, you gotta kind of have to think ahead. But to that point though. Like, I'll often like lean into the post work more than I will the like while I'm there because like I know that I'll have so much more control over it if I can bring it in later. So like I really try to lean into that to know like, I just need to pull these pieces in because then I'll have full control instead of like just getting it from the shotgun mic and like having to figure out how to make it all.
It kind of makes sense. I'd rather have it on its own channel like it where I can level it out the way I want to and just have, have more control over it.
[00:19:53] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: so. Wh
[00:19:54] Rhythm and Editing to Music
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[00:19:54] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: ile we're on the, the, the storytelling aspect
with sound and whatnot, so as [00:20:00] musicians we, we develop a strong sense of rhythm and pacing. How does that background musically? Help you and impact your, the way you edit, the way you tell your stories. Like, how are you, taking things like what are you taking from it and, and making it, and, and, and having it play a role in the way that you are telling the story visually for your clients.
[00:20:25] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah, for sure. I mean, music is emotional, right? It, it's the hardest, it's the heart for me at least. And I think most people would say this like. It's one of the hardest parts of like video creation is finding the music. You know, for, if it's a wedding film, like we'll just use wedding films as an example.
Like usually, or the way I do it is like I'll find the song and build off of the song instead of like building out the the clips and the story and then trying to put music to it. It doesn't really work that way. So I mean, you have your ebbs and flows of music to where [00:21:00] you have your high highs of crescendos and.
Epic, you know, epic crashes and things like that. And then you have the really low moments. And so you can see that in the waveform, like when you throw it into Da Vinci is, which, which is what I use, or whatever program you're using, like, you're gonna see the wave form kind of go up and down and you'll have low points, and then you'll have high points and a lot of those songs that you, you pull from art list and music bed and things like that, like they all.
Most of them will, will go to like an epic ending and then come down. and so you can build off of that and know like your story, which wedding stories, if you're gonna do it like in a chronological order. Like you usually start out that way to where, you know, at the beginning of the day, you know, you're getting ready all the way to the end of the day.
Like you're, you know, you're partying your heart out, you know, or you're ending on a sunset. Well, I mean, the music needs to make sense for that. And so. You know, once you find that perfect [00:22:00] song, and then you can kind of just, you build off of it, but you're not gonna put, you know, on, on this crescendo moment, you're not gonna, you know, put like the sweet moment of like a first look where they're like telling their, their vows or something to it is just, it won't make sense there.
And so you have to kind of be conscious of like how things feel. And that's really what the. The ups and downs of music, it's making you feel something. And so like the visuals need to make sense with the way the music is feeling,
for you to really lock in and engage. It's, it's very powerful. It's a very powerful tool.
and again, one that sets you apart from other creators, if you can really lock in. The, the sound, the audio side, I mean, we, I mean we're just talking about music, but if you can actually master the audio capture of the voices of the day, [00:23:00] which is like, yes, I've come to see that it's one of the hardest things to do well.
but if you can master the things that were said. That day to where you can incorporate that into your wedding films like that is, that is key.
and, and really sets you apart and not just, I keep saying, sets you apart and not even about that. Like, that tells the story the best, you know? and that all, that's all intertwined with music, you know, music and like, You know, the, the vocal, people talking. it's just, it all has to fit together and you have to find music that, that make that work.
[00:23:44] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Yeah. I was talking to Sam Hurd,
on, on another episode, and he mentioned that, you know, he's doing hybrid, right? So he's not focusing on video, but he's,
you know, his, 360 camera's always recording and
[00:23:56] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:23:56] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: What he started doing was, because he is not miking up [00:24:00] the clients, like in particular, he's now hiding his, I think he uses the RODE go, you know,
[00:24:08] Jared Mark Fincher: Okay.
[00:24:09] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: he's hiding it, like behind the, like attaching it to the microphone for the speeches
that's being used for the DJ or the band or, you
know, and, just hiding the mic where he can capture the, the people's voices. Without having to mic up the people specifically.
[00:24:26] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah.
[00:24:28] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: so I, I just think like for, for those who fall into, like, for you and Miles, right? You've, you know, he's, he's, he's getting the stills, you're getting the videos, you're a team, you know, that you are focused on, you know, you're gonna be getting the audio where you need to get the audio and the, and the, and the video where you need to get the video, et cetera. But then there's the people. That that don't have a team and they're a one one man show or one woman show that they've gotta worry about at all for those finding sneaky places to [00:25:00] hide the mic. I mean, you want the people to know it's there, but where it's not on camera, but you're still capturing the audio.
I think it could be very creative and a good way to get that, those voices that can truly tell that story. So.
[00:25:14] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a whole, a whole thing. as far as like being creative and how you hide the mic and. Where the placement is. 'cause I mean, there is a place that it needs to go, like for it to sound the best. And honestly, I think the biggest hurdle, like in wedding day stuff like is that, that you just don't have a lot of time.
And so. You need some time to finagle that and get it in the right place, test it out, be able to monitor it. And most of the time you just don't have that luxury and so you're just, you're like flying with it and like, just hoping for the best. And that's why I, in my opinion, the videography is, it can be one of the most stressful things.
and is, is worth a [00:26:00] lot, or should be worth a lot because the, what goes into it. Is just the craft is hard. It's hard to, to pull it off really well. but I think one, one key that has helped me, like if you do have, usually if there is a microphone, there is a board somewhere that you can, you can tap into.
And so like I bought like every cable. Possible that you could need. So where I show up and there's a DJ there and I'm like, dude, how can I, how can I daisy chain off of this to where I can get this audio? Like that is the prime,
the prime scenario to where you don't have to mic people. but the other,
[00:26:41] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: and then you're just going to what, like going into a Zoom and just letting it record all day
[00:26:44] Jared Mark Fincher: yeah. Yeah. Or the, or the, the RODE mics, you know, you can, you can go that the eight inch out into a quarter inch. Sure. Or whatever it might be, and just record to one of those little guys, which is awesome. But yeah, having the, the Zoom recorder is [00:27:00] great.you know, there's, there's so many, there's tons of options out there, but, but I think with that though, redundancy is very important.
Like you can't just have one. So like, I'll plug into a board, but then I'm gonna have a mic somewhere else that either like on my camera with the shotgun mic. or somewhere else, like if I can run three things at the same time, just to keep it running just in case. 'cause like something always goes wrong,
[00:27:28] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Yeah, but, and, but that's not only for, for for redundancy, but also for syncing up the audio afterwards. That could make
[00:27:34] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah,
[00:27:36] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: easier, especially if
[00:27:36] Jared Mark Fincher: yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:27:37] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: on camera recording to the file.
[00:27:39] Jared Mark Fincher: Yep.
so, totally man.
[00:27:42] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: I have a few left. Let's see if we can do rapid fire of this.
[00:27:46] Jared Mark Fincher: let's go.
[00:27:48] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: what did I just do? Oh, I just ripped that off.
Ah, that's fine. have you ever incorporated your own music, your own originals into a client
[00:27:56] Jared Mark Fincher: No.
[00:27:58] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: No.
[00:27:59] Jared Mark Fincher: so [00:28:00] awkward. No, no, I haven't. No. I mean, I have some regional stuff out there, but like, no, I haven't ever, I feel like that would be, unless that was something they requested, that yeah, that would feel so weird for me.
[00:28:14] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Weird for you or you think weird for them?
[00:28:17] Jared Mark Fincher: Well, I think if they didn't know it was coming, it would be super weird for them for sure too. It's like, wow, this guy's trying to get his music out. This is really weird. So, yeah.
[00:28:28] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: looking back. Do you think you are fundamentally a musician who became a filmmaker or, or or a storyteller who just uses different mediums?
[00:28:41] Jared Mark Fincher: Hmm.
That's a great question. how, I mean, I feel like a little bit of both, but, I mean, I, I feel like I probably connected the, with the first, the first being a musician and, and using other, other realms. But like, I feel like [00:29:00] I've moved I into being very passionate about storytelling. So like, I think it's been a progression over, you know, the decades of doing both now.
that, like I'm realizing that there's like a story in everything, and it's just like, how are you gonna tell it? And so I don't know if that answers your question, but Yeah. A little bit of both.
[00:29:24] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: All right. All right. if you had never picked up a camera,
[00:29:28] Jared Mark Fincher: what do you think your life in music would be right now?
Well,I mean, I don't know if my life would be much different than it is right now in the music. Like, I feel like I'm, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. as far as music goes, like I'm, I'm using my gifts on a weekly basis, in the way that I feel like, you know, God wants me to use it.Because I mean, that really was my story.
Like I had never picked up a camera before [00:30:00] 2016.and so, and, and my world looked kind of similar to what it does right now. Like I was more, I was, I was playing more music for sure, but. I feel, I feel really satisfied with, with the, the pace that I'm at right now. being able to use like all the different stuff.
So I don't know if it, it would look drastically different.
[00:30:24] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: Okay. That's good.
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[00:30:27] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: That's good.my favorite question, I, I've been asking every person I talk
[00:30:31] Jared Mark Fincher: Self pro. Okay.
[00:30:32] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: at the end. this is the one that really is gonna make you
[00:30:36] Jared Mark Fincher: to some other ones. Take it.
[00:30:39] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: if your
style,
[00:30:41] Jared Mark Fincher: your v I'm gonna go for you, I'm gonna go with video style. I know that you, you,
[00:30:46] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: you've got some crossover there with photo, but I'm gonna
go video style.if it was a genre of music,
[00:30:53] Jared Mark Fincher: Oh my gosh.
[00:30:53] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: what would it be and why?
if it was a genre music, what would [00:31:00] it be and why? It really gets you thinking.
[00:31:03] Jared Mark Fincher: that is a tricky one.
man, when, when you first said that I thought of jazz music,
for whatever reason, jazz came to my mind because here's the deal with jazz. You can miss a couple notes. In there and play the wrong note. And baby, it's just jazz.
And so I think for
[00:31:22] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: I love, I love that
[00:31:23] Jared Mark Fincher: for videography, you can take some risk and, maybe not hit it every time. but you know what, that's just how the song goes.
[00:31:33] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: I love it. Love it.
That's, that's fantastic.Jared, this has been great. I've been wanting to chat with you about this.
[00:31:40] Jared Mark Fincher: man. It is been a long time coming.
[00:31:42] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: long time, a long time. You know, it's, I, I started out as I, as we talked about earlier in this conversation, I, I started out, playing at Temple. I'm talking weekly [00:32:00] with
my Clarinetso while I am not, religious in my adult life.
I have so much respect,
and admiration for what you do
to, make people smile when you're,
when you're, when you're at church playing, you know, and, giving back to the community that, that you're so connected with
in person that, it, you know, it. So I was very, very glad that we were able to make this work.
[00:32:28] Jared Mark Fincher: Yeah, me too,
[00:32:29] Scott Wyden Kivowitz: I appreciate you so much. Thank you for chatting with me about this.
[00:32:33] Jared Mark Fincher: You're awesome, Scott. Thanks buddy.